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Net for Pictus Catfish

emt49126 — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:39:55 GMT

I was wondering if anyone knew where I could purchase a good net that will work on pictus catfish. I know that a regular net is not a good one to use on them. Any suggestions will be greatly welcome. Thanks

Help is needed

Elena — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:04:20 GMT

hi!
my name is Elena and i just moved to the US from Europe.
i am planning to get fishes , as that will be my first pet.
any ideas for compatible fish which would fit perfectly into a tropical freshwater community tank. please note that i am a beginner, haven't had any fish or animals before, and will probably buy a 26-28 gallon tank.
regards,
Elena:w00t::cool::):D:P

Your New Aquarium

David Lass — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:04:24 GMT

We have had a number of threads here on FC.com about "cycling" a new fish tank, and I thought I would post my current thinking, in the hope that you guys will chip in with your thoughts. Sorry it is such a long post -- but this stuff is really important.

Cycling a fish tank has nothing to do with a two wheeled vehicle; it also does not mean to simply let the tank run with water for a week or two. Cycling refers to getting the Nitrogen Cycle established in a tank. The Nitrogen Cycle is what makes it possible for us to keep fish in glass boxes which are, essentially, their own toilets. The Nitrogen Cycle starts with ammonia, which is the result of fish metabolism, dead plants, etc. and which is very harmful to fish; a certain set of bacteria convert the ammonia into nitrite. Nitrite is also pretty harmful to fish, and a second group of bacteria convert nitrite into nitrates. Nitrates are much less harmful to fish, and nitrates can be removed by having lots of live plants, or doing frequent regular water changes. There are also just coming into the hobby a number of products, both as additives and entire filtration systems, that will house the group of bacteria (which need a low oxygen environment = anoxic or anaerobic) that convert nitrates into harmless nitrogen gas. This last stage of the Nitrogen Cycle works very much the same way that live rock works in a Berlin style marine tank. The technology is coming to the tropical fish hobby/industry from the commercial aquaculture of food fish industry -- and it is now possible to complete the cycle without doing weekly or regular water changes.

The requirements for the Nitrogen Cycle to get going in a fish tank are 1) the bacteria -- they can be allowed to build from the population in any tank, or they can be "seeded" by adding gravel, plants or filter stuff from an established tank into the new tank, or from any of the liquids or powders available as tank starters at your lfs. 2) The bacteria need a place to live -- which is usually part of the filtration system of the tank, although the bacteria actually live on every surface of the aquarium. 3) They need food -- in terms of ammonia to start with, then the nitrite that is the product of converting the ammonia -- the food can be in the form of adding ammonia directly, or from the fish.

It is very important to understand that without all three components -- the bacteria themselves, places for them to live, and food for them -- the Nitrogen Cycle will never become correctly established in a tank. There are many ways to get the Cycle started in a new tank. One is fishless cycling which involves adding ammonia (or letting some cocktail shrimp decompose) to the tank in enough concentration and over time for the bacteria of the NC to get going. The problem with fishless cycling is that most folks do not want to look at an empty tank for 4 -- 6 weeks while they feed ammonia to the bugs, or watch a few shrimp decompose. You can also get the NC going by adding something to "seed" it from a healthy existing tank. This can be a sponge filter, plants, gravel or filter medium. In my experience what works best, especially for new hobbyists with their first tank, is to use Nitrogen Cycle starter products from the lfs. These can be in the form of liquids with millions of live bacteria, or dry powders with suspended bacteria and food to get them started.

I have tested all of the methods for starting the Nitrogen Cycle in a new tank, and in my experience what works best is to start the new tank with bacteria either in liquid or dry form (and to add any "seeds" you can get), and to slowly add fish to the tank over a 4 -- 6 week period. You should absolutely buy your own testers for testing "The Big Four" -- pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrates. The test strips work just fine, and they are the best investment (other than a good book) that newbies can make in their aquarium hobby. LFS's like to encourage folks to bring in water for them to test, which is fine -- except that the Nitrogen Cycle and how it works is so critical to understand that it is really important that you do the testing yourself -- don't just rely on your lfs telling you that things are "ok". You need to have the numbers for "The Big Four", and to keep track of them in a log, as the direction/trend of any tank parameter is much more important than the absolute number -- unless the numbers are so high as to really threaten the health of the fish.

Bottom line, for me -- buy some test strips to test ammonia, nitrite, nitrates and pH -- add some "starters" either from the lfs or from existing healthy tanks -- add the fish over a 4 -- 6 week period -- test "The Big Four" each time before you add new fish, and keep a log -- don't rush things, and most important --- LEARN ABOUT FISHKEEPING AND HAVE FUN!

can anyone recommend fish?

Elena — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:26:28 GMT

can anyone recommend any common compatible species of tropical freshwater 26 gallon tank for a beginner like me?:unsure:

Jurapari Earth Eater

Neowolf242 — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:37:20 GMT

Does anybody know what kind of set up should be used for the Juripari Earth Eater? It's an interesting looking fish. I'm Going to try and get a picture of them some time soon.

salt question

bettasrcool — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:53:59 GMT

I just wanted to ask about aquarium salt. I was reading on another site that someone mentioned adding a little aquarium salt to the tank is beneficial for most tropical fish and some plants. Is there any truth to this or should salt only be added for those "brackish" fish like mollies and guppies?

Dragon Fish with other Fishes

SKeith — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:18:11 GMT

I have a 20 gallon tank at my office. It has tons upon tons of plants and I have two 20 gallon filters because of them. I have a tetra fish, male betta, plecostomus, and a dragon fish. I recently purchased the dragon fish (Walmart told me that they were fine in fresh water) and when I did some research about them I found out that they needed a little bit of salt in their tanks in order to keep them happy ( 1tsp for every 10 gal, I think). Will salt hurt the other fish I have in the tank?

5 way test strips & snails & plants

SKeith — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:56:48 GMT

I just bought 5 way test strips that test : NO3, NO2, PH, salt, ALK, TH.

I have a fresh water tank with tons of plants and 3 neon tetra, 1 betta, 1 sucker, 1 dragon, and 10 little snails.

What is a normal tank suppose to be at for those and how would I fix each situation?

P.S. are the bigger (total body length 1/2 inch) snails bad for you plants? I don't ever see them on the plants but someone told me that they would eat them.

And can someone recommend some sort of fish or other that would eat the dead parts of the plants?

ammonia question

tesla2101 — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:41:28 GMT

Will vinegar lower ammonia levels in aquariums? If so, is it safe to use in the aquarium containing fish?

Why all the love for betta's?

Taylor0302 — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:31:57 GMT

There seems to be a huge amount of people of love the bettas and I feel like I am missing something. I really don't get why they are so popular. When I see the male betta in a small little bowl they don't get me very excited and I guess I just don't get it.

Can someone help me understand why these little guys are so popular?

Gender Identification - Platinum Gouramis?

Taylor0302 — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:14:18 GMT

OK, I was in the LFS the other day and saw some Platinum Gouramis. The guy in the fish store seemed knowledgeable but mentioned that male Gouramis have red in their eye whereas the females do not have any red.

I have always thought that you could identify gouramis by their dorsal fins and the females have a smaller, more rounded dorsal and the males have a longer, pointed dorsal.

Today I was speaking to someone else who said that all Platinums have the red in the eye so I thought I would ask you guys.

Can female Platinum Gouramis have red in their eye or is this strickly a male trait?

White buildup?

aust10n — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:13:57 GMT

I just started the cycling process the other day.
Before I did so I noticed that a thick white substance has dried and cacked itself on the cover of the filter and along the top the cover where there is an opening. I wiped it off with a dry towel. I come back several days later and it's back.
What might the problem be?

NOT feeding your fish

David Lass — Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:25:06 GMT

Even though I have lots of friends who own local fish stores, and sometimes they don't like what I have to say; this is one of those times. Just as I don't think you should be playing around with the pH trying to get it to exactly 7.0, you really don't need to worry about feeding your fish if you are going to be gone for a weekend -- or a long weekend -- or in some cases a week.

We just got back from being away for 9 days, and Jen and her daugher came in twice a day to feed and play with the cats (who I don't even think really knew we were gone), but all of my fish went without any feedings. I've got 6 large tanks (120 to 300 gallons) that are heavily planted, including the 120 with the 12 adult S.jurupari and the F1 and F2 Royal Farlowellas, the 300 with the wild discus, and the school of rummy noses and roseline sharks, and all sorts of oddball suckermouth cats, and another 120 with 9 large fancy designer discus. All of the fish were fine, much of which is because of the live plants. In my wholesale fishroom, where all of the tanks are bare, almost everyone was fine. Only problem was there was one tank where the airline tubing had come off the filter, and a few of those fish were dead. Other than that, everyone was doing just fine -- hungry, yes -- but fine.

My point in all of this is that healthy fish in a healthy fish tank can go for quite a while without food. This is, of course, based on the fact that they have been fed well, on a good variety of different kinds of foods, and that the water quality in the tank is good. IMHO, the silliest thing that lfs's have for sale (and there are a number of silly things) is the "betta weekend feeders" that I have seen. Bettas, of all fish, can go quite a while without food, and the idea of needing to buy something to feed them while you are gone for a weekend is, to me, silly. As always -- just my opinion.

Help?

papillons rule! — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:24:36 GMT

Ok, here's the thing, I kept fish for 2 years in a 10 gallon heated aquarium. It didn't really work very well. I had lots of alga, the tank smelled funny, I killed fish fast, and non of the plants I got lived (with the exception of my java moss) and there were organisms constantly in there that I did not put in and probably shouldn't have been in there. For example: at the last part there were weird little wiggly white things that took residence in the gravel and on the plastic plants. Recently all of my fish died, so deciding I was tired of it for the moment, I took all of the gravel out, gave away the java moss, scrubbed everything out, and bleached the whole thing so whatever the white things were they would die. It was all fine and dandy until I realized like a weak afterwards that I desperately missed my fish. I want to start it again but don't want unhealthy fish, but I don't want to pay for more equipment than I absoulutly need. Here is a list of stuff I have.

Heater
Aquarium Gravel
One rather small whisper filter (rated up to 5 gallons)
A flouresant Lamp/hood
Lots of fish food
Water conditioner
Plant fertilizer
Alga scraper
Ten Gal aquarium
Plastic plants

Here are some questions I have:

Do I really need plants for healthy fish?
What type of filtration system is the best?
Should I even bother restarting my aquarium?
If plants are nesesary, do I need a CO2 diffuser?
What are some tough, common plants?
What were the white wiggly things?
Do I need to buy any equipment?
What in the world does nitrogen cycling mean?

Please give me all the help you can. And please don't use abreaviations on this, I'm reaaaaly blond and if you use them I will have no idea what you are saying.

Some new ideas for fish.

Neowolf242 — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:53:04 GMT

heres what we're looking at:

Raphael Catfish

African Featherfin Catfish

Pictus Catfish

My petsmart said these would all work with angels but i am confirming before we do anything

Gravel Sizes

David Lass — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:50:09 GMT

Looking at some of the photos that you guys have posted (thanks for posting them -- it's really great for us all to be able to see each others' fish and tanks) I noticed that many folks are using gravel that has a fairly large size of grains/pebbles. I am not a fan of these larger pebbled gravels, primarily for the reason that once the food and other "gunk" falls between the larger pebbles it is impossible for the fish to get it. It can also be difficult to remove it during a regular water change/gravel vacuuming.

I'm wondering what you guys think, and look forward to your experiences and opinions.

Oscars - probably a very basic question

Taylor0302 — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:19:44 GMT

OK, so Oscars get very large and need a very big tank, I totally understand this, but whenever I go to the LFS I notice they have 1 oscar in a tank about the size of a 10gallon. How can they do this to these guys when they clearly do not have enough room? Do they keep them in these smaller tanks as they expect to sell them quickly? It just doesn't make any sense to me. The store I go to usually has about 10 tanks like this.

Flushing fish down the toilet

Neowolf242 — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:46:53 GMT

my mom seems to think its ok to flush fish down the toilet but im pretty sure its illegal in Texas, is it?

We measured the tank.

Neowolf242 — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:04:43 GMT

When we were draining water from the tank, we figured out that the tank only hold 35 gallons. We have 4 black marble Angels, 4 Black Skirt Tetras and one Chinese Algae Eater (who we plan on returning)

We definatley need a scavenger fish and i wanted a striped peacock eel, after that, i'm thinking that all we can fit in the tank, any suggestions?

Yay we got fishies!

Neowolf242 — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:25:59 GMT

We got our first set of fish today, 4 Black Skirt Tetras, we also threw out the 2 grasses and the Bamboo and replaced them with 5 Gold Ribbon plants (The package said 2-4, we got an extra 1 :w00t: ) and we also have 2 Anachris plants. Our tank is an 85 gallon Hex and we plan on getting Angels, Bolivian Rams and a Striped Peacock Eel

Opaline Gourami and Blue Gouramis - are they the same fish?

Taylor0302 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:02:23 GMT

Is the Opaline Gourami the same fish as the Blue Gourami?

guppys

catfishfriend — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:03:58 GMT

I got some guppys a couple years these are the children from some of my first and

I noticed the females look ragged, dark gray colored with white sploches. none of my other fish

have been affected not even the males guppys . (the guppys are normaly light gray)

could it be my other fish getting at them

2 anglefish

3 corys

3 hatchetfish

9 neon tetras

Fruit Loop Tetras?

Taylor0302 — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:01:49 GMT

Has anyone seen or heard of the Fruit Loop Tetra? I was browsing the LFS and noticed these every colourful tetras. They were fatter than the tetra that I am familiar and extremely colourful. They had pinks, blues, yellows and green. The tanks said community fish but I was wondering if they would work with Dwarf Gouramis?

Any feedback on these guys?

Discus tank mates

hoppy — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:46:17 GMT

Can discus be kept with cichlids of any kind maybe an oscar or a parrot fish?

20g high stocking help

aust10n — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:38:49 GMT

I went to Ace and got Ammonia. My first Ammonia purchase failed as it had surfactant in it. Now that I started the cycling process I have been thinking about what I would like to put in my tank.
Here is the theme that I'm going with.
I'm going to add a sunken Naval ship, 2 mid floating mines, Navy Diver aeration, a small anchor, and a Mark V Dive Helmet, and I'll fit in a few plants.

I'm going to wait until cycling is complete and add a few items at a time.

My question is what are some tips as to what I should put in my tank?
I want to go with the semi aggressive, colorful fish.
Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Austin

85 Gallon tropical tank

Neowolf242 — Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:57:44 GMT

My mom has her heart set on Angel Fish, and I like the Puffers (Amazonian Puffer, since its not as aggresive) but I'd like to hear some ideas about other fish (probably not fast ones though, Angels don't like that from what i hear) I should have a picture of what the tank looks like right now in a few hours, it's not yet fish safe so it may be a few weeks before we can actually start stocking it.

newbie Philippines

mujacko2002 — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:03:34 GMT

Mabuhay!

Thank you all for the replies/comments/suggestions/advises/compliments, thankyou thank you

thank you.

Finally, i was able to find the batteries of my digicam and i was so excited i took some

pictures of my planted tanks eventhough its already very very dark. :twitch:

I swear, i was never successful rearing the so-called "red bacopa", reinecki and green/red

cabombas in my 25g but here in my 75g it looks like survivors and the red bacopa is now

sporting

big leaves but more compact and an orange color. My problem is how to trim the red bacopa,

i am really scared anyone who would like to share their experiences with this plant? TIA

These is the other half of my 75g, its filled with low-light plants. And i am really awed

by the power of the sun although this side its not always hit directly i can see that they

are pearling Is it a good sign?

My 25g after a little pruning, i added a tenellus (is it correct?)

Challenge/s:
My 75g is sun-fed and i've noticed that the plants are in their "sleep" state when night

time comes because most the leaves are "closed". is it harmful to plants if i turn the

lights on at night? i do this because i want to look at it after i get home from work.

TIA for any response.

Pictures i took these morning

my 10g experiment, my substrate is a secret for now.

Enjoy!

Godbless

I think my fish had fin rot or some type of fungus!

buttons21 — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:59:34 GMT

But I treated it with this stuff that treats both. Because I spoted this early I only put half of the does.

Compatible Fish?

Taylor0302 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:27:18 GMT

Ok, so I have been cycling my tank for a while now and I am almost ready to start adding some fish. I have decided on 2 dwarf gouramis (male/female) and about 3 or 4 angel fish.

I was also thinking about getting 2 female blue gouramis but was not sure how these 3 species would act together. I believe I have read that they can work together but I think my biggest concern is the blue gouramis with the angels.

Can I get some advice?

Bacteria Starter

aust10n — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:29:33 GMT

Hello.
Today I went and bought Ammonia to start a fishless cycle. 4 weeks seems to be a long time.
While I was out I stopped at PetSmart and looked at the Bacteria Starters. Can I not just do this and start a beneficial bacteria colony within my tank?
If so why would I have to continue to add the product to my tank?
Is this just a marketing point to get people to continue to purchase the product?

Also, in the Ammonia bottle (I purchased Wal-Mart brand) there is a chemical called Surfactant in the ingredients. This will not harm my tank will it?

Thanks,
Austin

New Tank Cloudy...

aust10n — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:39:19 GMT

Hello.

My girlfriend decided that she wanted to get my Dragon fish for my birthday. Well, I'm excited. Sunday we went to the pet store and got everything I would need to take care of these guys. I went home and found a pretty good page on how to take care of them. From there I set up my tank. Half way through the setup I realized I didn't get the filter. Two days later I add the filter. Several hours later the water looked crystal.
I wake up this morning and the take is cloudy.
By the way, I do not have any fish in the tank yet.
When I added the filter bubbles were forming and sticking together at the surface. Now they are no longer doing this.
What might be the problem?

Also so I don't make a new thread I'll ask this hear.
I purchased the AquaClear Power Filter. How often should I change one of the three filters in it?

Does anyone have any good recommendations for a good liquid or powder cycling agent?

I have a 20g tank and I have TopFin Salt to make the tank Brackish. How often should I put the salt in there and how much?

I'm sorry guy's as I started typing all my question came to me at once. I'm new to this realm and want to do everything right the first time.

Thanks,
Austin

What is the best kind of freshwater fish for a beginner?

GlitterGuppy2008 — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:06:10 GMT

What is the best kind of freshwater fish for a beginner to get? And can be kept in a bowl? I've read about how bowls aren't good for goldfish, because it doesn't have enough air or something.

concerned about soring energy

justin30 — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:45:56 GMT

How will you deal with the onset of rising energy prices regarding the hobby?:w00t:

5 gallon crab tank.

Neowolf242 — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:10:39 GMT

Since i found a good deal on a five gallon starter set, i've been wondering if a fresh water crab would be happy having a tank to it's self, or whether i should get some shrimp. (found a 5 gallon kit at petsmart for $38)

Euthanasia

Punch1 — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:54:57 GMT

I have seen quite a few discussions about this issue - however - when I saw a recommendation to

"place the fish in a bag and wack him up against a hard surface"

I needed to clarify this issue - and fast!

the kindest thing you can do for fish that are extremely ill ;; induce its death humanely through euthanasia.

HUMANELY!!!

the kindest thing you can do for fish that is facing a -fish in a bag - is to let him live with the illness...

You have choices other than the paper bag method!! oh GOD! Like the tire of a Mack trusck - no not really -

We are in the age of cell phones and push button telephones - and electricity in the house....

soooo...

Finquel . With Finquel the fish should fall asleep peacefully. Finquel is not in your local pet stores - drs foster smith carries it.countries outside the US, you may need a prescription to buy it.

Finquel(MS-222 or Tricaine Methanesulfonate) is a fish sedative and an anesthetic.

2. Add 12 drops of Oil of clove per 1 gallon (3.84 liters) of dechlorinated water. Oil of clove is very hard to mix so you may want to emulsify the clove oil by placing it in a smaller amount of water in a glass jar and shake well. Place the fish in a container large enough for it to move around freely along with an airstone on the highest setting and add the clove oil solution. The airstone will help keep the clove oil in solution. Once the fish turns on its side, watch the opercular movements (respiration/gill movements).

3. baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) causes rapid loss of consciousness and death by increasing the amount of carbon dioxide in the water. Place the fish in a container large enough for it to move around freely. Mix a solution of 3 tablespoons of baking soda to each quart (0.9463 liter) of water and then pour into the holding container. Once the fish turns on its side, watch the opercular movements (respiration/gill movements).

4. Alka-Seltzer can be also be used to produce carbon dioxide in the water and induce loss consciousness and death. Choose a container large enough so the fish has room enough to move freely. Use 1 tablet/5 gallons (18.93 liters) or 2 tablets/ 10 gallons (37.85 liters) of dechlorinated water and then add the fish to the solution. Once the fish turns on its side, watch the opercular movements

Personally - I have used the Baking soda -

OK?? using a paper bag?? I wonder if that is the way they help people expire in old age homes - if they can locate a paper bag big enough - and then drop it from a ten story bldg, -

yes thats acceptable.... NOT!!!

Fresh water aquarium on a budget?

Neowolf242 — Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:24:56 GMT

I'm wanting to get my own aquarium set up, but seeing as i'm still in college i don't have a lot of money. Any suggestions?

Need help determining what type of fish...

kyriel — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:19:07 GMT

I don't really know how to start this so please excuse me if it's impromptu.

I found myself the owner of a bettafish about a week or so ago. I went ahead and bought a small betta bowl:

I eventually began to think that he or she, needed a companion. I was contemplating on what to get or if I should get more things for the betta. Then come saturday I found myself with a 10 gallon fish tank and two goldfish. I thought that the betta would only attack other betta's but I apparently I was wrong in my assumption. So now I have a 10 gallon tank with two goldfish and a betta in a separate bowl. I need suggestions on what else to put in the aquarium. The pet store said that they'd take the betta but I don't know if I should or not. I apologize for rambling so I need:

Opinion on whether to keep the betta or not

and suggestions for more fish for the aquarium, The instructions said I can put up to 20 in there safely, but I doubt that I'd want to put that many in there. I'd like the algae eater, whatever they are called, as well as colorful fish, perhaps a few egg-layers.

Oh, and I'd like to know how to tell if my goldfish are male or female. I can't really see it- I looked at the gills but they are shiny and you can't really see much.

Hagen Fluval Filter

Aruray — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:41:39 GMT

I have a 4 month old 20 gallon long tank. I have in it someplants and 17 tetras. I am also using a Hagen Fluval 250. So far I have only used the mnedia that came with the tank and recently added Phos Zorb because the PH was down to 5.0 and the LFS suggested I put that product into the filter. It worked. For those of you who own the same filter, can you please suggest what other media I can replace or add to create a healthy tank for both plants and fish. I undestand carbon absorb most plant nutrients. Should I mix carbon with resin?

Thank you for your attention.

can an oscar be ok alone?

buttons21 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:33:30 GMT

my friend has a 100 gallon tank which he got to cycle properly(lucky!) and he is going to get a oscar but the breeder that is selling him the fish is saying that the fish like to be kept in pairs. Is this true?

iMPORTERS AND BREEDERS

Punch1 — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:01:53 GMT

In this, and other sites - I have been faced with the question as to what are examples of - in my opinion - reputable breeder and sales sites/ auction sites - Although I have other species of fish - my specialty is thru Fancy Goldfish ...

Therefore I feel it necessary to limit my examples to those sites where I have had the most activity in purchases - However - be aware that these are by no means inexpensive sites - once shipping - etc is included - but for novices I thought that this would be great viewing sites as well.

Those that come to this topic and know of other species sites similar to the types or quality as I suggest here - please ad it to this topic thred -

My apologies on my fancy goldfish limitation - and hope others will ad other connections for the Novices - especially for those sites that ship from the US to other countries - Discus, Dwarf Gir. or whatever

here goes -

http://www.fishsempai.com/about.asp

especially take the time to go thru - "Executive See the Fish Sempai's hand selected rare collection." in the photo gallery. next;;;;;

http://www.tunghoiaquarium.com/

This site has some great overviews of culturing, breeding, quality control etc used by business of this type - as well no less important - some of the most beautiful fancies I have ever seen on the retail sale market - as a few fun examples below... (please excuse errors in the text - if I dont catch - my speach type is acting up in the spelling department!!)

this is a link to other areas on this same site:

http://www.tunghoiaquarium.com/e_version/e-breed1.htm

next....

and last but byh no means least - a slowly growing site that - as far as my lnowledge allows - interacts with these breeders and sources them for their monthly auctions....

http://www.goldfishconnection.com/auction/index.php

THey seem to always provide greaT quality of genetics...

a few fun examples to "tidilate your interest - even if you are not a fancy hobbyist!!! By the way - for those of you that know my "punch" - the petting fish lol.... this is where he was bred..

Again - others please ad sites for other species -