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Posted 8/9/2008 5:20:44 PM


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I'm not thinking of putting a Betta in a pond, but I want to know if you could.  Would they survive, or even live very long?

All of Kinds of Fish I Currently Own:
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1. Betta (2)
2. Oscars (3)
3. Firemouth Cichlids (1)
4. Jeweled Cichlids (7)
5. Pelcos (1)
6. Parrot Fish (1)
7. Convict Cichlids (1)
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Posted 8/9/2008 5:39:41 PM


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They make indoor ponds and you could keep a betta in one of those, theoretically.  Of course, you couldn't mix it with typical pond fish like koi or goldfish.

The problem with an outdoor pond is that it's harder to control the conditions there.  Ponds are larger than most aquariums, true, so there's more leeway in the water conditions.  Larger bodies of water change their chemistry more slowly than small bodies of water, which is why it's really easier to maintain a bigger aquarium than a smaller one.  You have to deal with fewer fluctuations.

But there will always be changes in either water chemistry or temperature, and bettas are delicate fish.  A drop in the outdoor temperature one night might well result in a dead betta in the morning.  Or the pond could be polluted some way and stress the betta to the point of sickness or death.  And, it's easier for a predator like a bird to kill a smaller fish like a betta than a large, robust goldfish or koi.

See where I'm going with this?  Bettas do better in aquaria because it's easier to control their living conditions and monitor their health.  It's hard to see when a fish as small as a betta is having trouble, especially in a large pond.  I have read in older (think 1970s) books about breeding bettas and raising the fry in ponds, but with today's technology, it's my opinion that bettas should be indoor only fish. 

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Posted 8/9/2008 6:52:20 PM


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You could keep a betta in a pond, but the main, and big issue, is going to be temperature control. I've seen indoor ponds that were kept at stable, tropical temperatures, and bettas lived in them just fine. These were mostly small ponds, on the scale of 20-50g. Outdoor ponds will be very much more difficult to keep at the tropical temps necessary, most especially during winter.

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Lionhead - Kiko
Calico Lionhead - Little Bean
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Black Moor - Damian
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Posted 8/9/2008 8:05:06 PM


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It sortof depends on the depth of the pond that determines how stable the water temperatures are. I have a 500gal garden pond loaded with plants that gets about 6 hours of sun, the rest mostly dappled shade. The deepest part of the pond is 3ft with that being about 5ft long.

Fish: 2 ryukin (goldfish), 1 fantail goldfish, some type of top minnow from the local river, 5 whitecloud mountain minnows, a few female yellow guppies, 3 turquoise betta splendens (1male/2female).

The bettas have been in there for about a month - month 1/2. They haven't made bubblenests- the females are laiden, but the male gets chased away... They eat food amonst the minnows and goldfish. They've done fantastic so far. I wouldn't suggest them for a pond that doesn't have a heater if you want them in there over winter. I think I'm going to leave one female in the pond with a heater this winter to see if she will survive it. There's no information on the internet (that I've found) about if a betta will survive it, so I guess I'll be experimenting.

I'd suggest you try it (HINT: the short-finned varieties do much better than the fancier strains. My two females are round tailed and the male is a short crowntail.) But you will have to bring them back inside for the winter unless you don't have frosts... I'm still experimenting with what will survive. I live between zone 6 and 7.

I have a 2 1/2 year old cat named Ricky, but he doesn't bother the fish too much. They just go under the lily leaves or just swim down deeper. He's never actually tried to put his paws in the water. He does like to chase the dozen bullfrogs that have moved in... A dog that likes water such as a lab or something would be hard to keep out of the pond area without a fence or something. They would eat the fish- especially koi if you have any. We have a bunch of racoons and possums around here... but they go for my chickens. I've never seen signs of them around the pond or vegie gardens.

There have been alot of articles written online about having big plastic tubs outside as holding tanks for breeding fish during the spring/summer/fall months. You just have to make sure that they are either brought inside or given away to someone else. I'm always on the lookout for fish that will look great when you look at them from above. Yellow finned guppies are great for that too- I breed them, so the females I won't breed usually go in the pond. Then in the fall I'll give them to the petstore (call them first though to make sure that they will take them!).

My pond is elevated a bit from the rest of the gardens, so no mulch or soil ever gets in it. I don't fertilize the gardens except with composted cow manure in the fall. Be sure not to use chemical fertizers around the pond area as this can cause a headache of algae, as well as other problems.

Mine have lived just fine. I take them out to look at them every week or so, and to tell you the truth, the oldest female (which I've had a year) looks so much better than when I kept her inside. She is plump with eggs and her colors have brightened considerably. I think it has to do with the sunlight and probably all those young tadpoles she's been eating. The mosquito population is extremely low, a thing I am well pleased about.

Hope this helps... and I hope I'm not starting a quarrel here!

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Posted 8/9/2008 9:56:52 PM


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bettas and goldfish should not be kept together because their requirements are different and their slime coats are different, but someone who knows more about the slime coats should explain that.

i have kept bettas in a 60 gallon pond with only plants for filteration, at the time. i first put the female in to be accostumed to the pond then the male about a week later. they did spawn but the eggs were either infertile or he was too distracted by the female to tend to them because when i found them they were white. i would love to try this again and its really neat if you want to try it. but be careful of what might be living in your pond if its already established. watch out for water bugs and any guppies that might tear your bettas fins apart.

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29 gal: 1 Dalmation molly (male), 1 bumblebee catfish, 1 yoyo loach.
5 gal planted: 2 pygmy cories, 2 amano shrimp, 2 nerite snails, 1 mosquitofish, 3 fancy guppies.
2.5 gal: male betta Nathaniel (avatar) .
20 gal: 9 unknown fish from canal, 3 blue-fin killifish, 1 holbrook's mosquitofish,
Pond: 3 comet goldfish, Panda, Ricco, Elizabeth.
Container Pond (20g): 1 oranda, Reginald

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Posted 8/10/2008 9:30:39 AM


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there are theories on the slime coat thing. I have my own theory, which is that the slime coat itself has nothing to do with it. Rather, there are diseases that prefer coldwater and diseases that prefer tropical water. Goldfish aren't normally exposed to diseases that prefer tropical water, and vice versa for the bettas.

Either way, the point is that bettas and goldfish are not appropriate housemates, whether in a pond or in a tank.

20 gallon long
Lionhead - Kiko
Calico Lionhead - Little Bean
29 gallon
Fantail - Oliver
Black Moor - Damian
Calico Ryukin - Serafina
2.5 gallon
male betta - Pirate
10 gallon planted
minnow, betta, guppy
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