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Posted 8/13/2008 8:27:00 PM


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That 8-9 gallons wasn't big enough to do anything in.  So I decided I'm going to wait a little while (until I have some $$$) and do a 29 gallon.  I am going to get a 29 Gallon All-Glass Aquarium, Aquatic Gardens Full Flourescent Hood, Aqueon Aquarium Power Filter (up to 30 gal.), Petco 100 Watt Submersible Aquarium Heater, ATI Aquarium Thermometer, Marine-Land Medium Siphon-Kleen, Penn Plax Aquarium Tank Stand 29 Gallon, Mag-Float Floating Magnet Aquarium Cleaner.  I'm listing all this just in case anyone knows if any of the products are very good (well I know that the Aqueon HOB Filter is very good [have the 10 gal. model in my 10 gallon]).  I will be using those two live plants that I can't remember the name of (Nikita, FattFishy, and MOA know what I mean, just check Thinking of Starting a New Aquarium....  Here is a list of the fish I'm thinking (I would never put ALL of these in because of overstocking, overcrowding, incompatibility, etc. but this is just a list of some fish I was thinking of) :

1 Gold Veil Angelfish

1 Male Crowntail Betta (definite)

4 Panda Corys (definite)

1 Bristlenose Pleco OR 6 Otocinclus OR Farowella Catfish (definitely one of the three, but only one)

6: Cardinal Tetras, Rummynose Tetras, Silvertip Tetras, Black Neon Tetra, Gold Neon Tetra, Penguin Tetra (just one or two species)

2 Swordtails (Green + Neon)

6 Harlequin Rasboras

2 Honey Gouramis OR 2 Chocolate Gouramis OR 3 Licorice Gouramis OR 1 Gold Gourami OR 3 Sparkling Gourami (definitely want a gourami)

1 Marble Lyretail Molly

3 Pencilfish

2 Marble Hatchetfish OR 2 Marthae Silver Hatchetfish

I know it is a long list but I really need some help deciding and figuring out what is best. :D

29 Gallon Planted Freshwater:
2 Bolivian Rams
3 Balloon Mollies
1 Red Cobra Delta Guppy
8 Harlequin Rasboras
5 Otocinclus
4 Kuhli Loaches
4 Gallon Planted Betta Tank:
1 Male Veiltail Betta
3 Gallon
Betta Tank:
1 Male Crowntail Betta
1/2 Gallon Live Plant Aquarium:
Water Sprite
Amazon Sword
40 Gallon Rubbermaid Balloon Molly Grow-Out:
100s of Balloon Mollies (mostly juvenilles to adults)
10 Gallon Birthplace and Nursery:
100s of Balloon Mollies (mostly fry to very young)

Other Pets:
2 Leopard Geckos
1 Crested Gecko
1 Chinese Hamster

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Posted 8/13/2008 9:59:19 PM


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1 Gold Veil Angelfish

This tall fish will grow too tall for the 29 gallon. Although it might fit, they also need some up and down room, it's not sitting there all day long. Also, the angelfish might get territorial with other fish you're suggesting.

1 Male Crowntail Betta (definite)

The extra space wil probably ease its aggression. Watch for nipped fins or any visible aggression in the first few days.

4 Panda Corys (definite)

Good. This or the catfish.

1 Bristlenose Pleco OR 6 Otocinclus OR Farowella Catfish (definitely one of the three, but only one)

I wouldn't recommend the Farlowella Cat, it just grows a bit big for you tank. The swimming space it needs might not cut it with a 29 gallon. But with the pandas and other fish, stick to the pandas.

6: Cardinal Tetras, Rummynose Tetras, Silvertip Tetras, Black Neon Tetra, Gold Neon Tetra, Penguin Tetra (just one or two species)

Forget Penguin Tetras. Many fishkeepers have reported its bad aggression and horrible nipping. Do one species only.

2 Swordtails (Green + Neon)

Like I said, watch the aggression. Very competitive for mates and will fight very hard to accomplish that. Give hiding spaces if you're willing to put them in. Piece of bad news, the betta might think it's another betta and... you know what happens.

6 Harlequin Rasboras

Either this or the tetras.

2 Honey Gouramis OR 2 Chocolate Gouramis OR 3 Licorice Gouramis OR 1 Gold Gourami OR 3 Sparkling Gourami (definitely want a gourami)

I'm hoping that you're talking about a female + male pair. Gold Gouramis can get quite nasty and grow big, 6 inches. I wouldn't do it if I were you. For your situation with all these fish, 2 Honey Gouramis. Here's the bad news. Your betta is there. First, it's a labyrinth fish, just like a gourami. Also, colorful and long fins, just like gourami. Obviously, in his mind (betta), he'll think that it's another betta and shred the gourami's fins or kill him.

1 Marble Lyretail Molly

Depends on situation...

3 Pencilfish

This, rasbora or tetra.

2 Marble Hatchetfish OR 2 Marthae Silver Hatchetfish

This or gourami. Also a schooling fish, keep to themselves on the very surface area. Need at least 6. GET A VERY TIGHT FITTING HOOD! Any two minutes with the hood open can mean a deathbed if not careful.

Suggested tank stocks:

1 betta, 6 rasbora/tetra, 4 pandas, 1 molly

You can choose between:

Betta, gourami, swordtail or hatchetfish

rasbora, tetra, or pencilfish

cory, oto, or pleco

molly can be added to any.

Play around with the setups, you'll find one you like.

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Posted 8/14/2008 10:40:31 AM


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Hello,

I wouldn't go with the angel but not because the tank is too small (although the tank is on the smallish size for angels). What I'm worried about is their predacious nature. Once the angelfish is full-grown, it can eat fish up to 2-2.5" long, which would really limit the types of shoaling fish you could keep.

The male bettas is potentially problematic. In a tank that size, I don't see the bettas bothering the other fish, but the other fish might fin his fins. Therefore, if you keep the betta in there (I assume you will), then avoid fin-nippers like the plague.

Panda cories in a tank that size can be bad. The increased space and increased size of their tankmates may mean that they will be out-competed for food. If you like the little cories, avoid livebearers (like swordtails) and many of the more aggressive cyprinids (medium-sized or larger barbs, danios, sharks, etc.). A better alternative to panda cories in a tank that size would be emerald cories as they are bigger and more robust.

As to your choice of algae eaters, I'd say forget them for now. First off, a new tank shouldn't (if set up properly) have enough algae to support any algae eater and all the algae eaters you mentioned (most of the algae eaters on the market included) will require special dietary considerations (extra veggies, etc.). Instead, buy a scrubbing pad and keep up on your maintenance--it's less expensive, is better on the fish as a whole, and is less headache.

Most of your tetras look okay except for the penguins and the cardinals (most cardinals are wild-caught and don't acclimate very well). None of your tetras would do well with an angelfish.

The swordtails wouldn't be great with the panda cories. Also, I dissagree with FattFishy a bit regarding their aggression: if you only have males they won't be as aggressive as when a female is present. That's my experience at least.

The rasboras wouldn't do well with an angelfish.

Gouramies and bettas in the same tank can be a really bad, bad, bad idea. They are both labyrinth fish, territorial, and become more territorial with age (especially bettas and gold gouramies) and in the presence of a female (combining more than one male or even a male and female can be a bad idea).

Mollies kinda like company, prefer alkaline conditions (not too hard to accommodate), and can bully smaller fish like tetras and cories.

Pencilfish can be hard to feed and really fair better with more members in the shoal.

Hatchetfish are shoalers and should have at least 6 fish total in their shoal. Other than that, they are fairly easy to keep provided you have a tight-fitting hood. They can become aggressive with age (I saw an adult hatchetfish kill a juvenile oscar once...not pretty).

Well, that's the long and short of it. You might also want to check out my spreadsheet in the pinned topic "Freshwater Stocking Guide" to run possible scenarios. Lastly, please note that I'm just offering reasons why thing might not work out--I'm not saying that if you try something I advise against that your tank will explode or something like that--I'm just telling you where the potential problems are. Ultimately, it's your choice, so what do you think?

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Posted 8/14/2008 11:07:33 AM


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I would also mention that if you do want tetras, opt for ones that don't have the "long and narrow" body plan, like neons, cardinals, and glowlights do.  For one, these fish usually stay small, which makes them good targets for angels, and for another, the torpedo-shaped body is awfully easy to just slip down an angelfish's throat.

So if you want tetras, which are a good choice because they are calm and usually easy to care for, you have to pick carefully.  Don't get any that are very young.  They'll be smaller, and possibly small enough for the angel to swallow. 

What you're looking for, instead of the "torpedo" body plan, is a tetra with a more "diamond-shaped" body plan.  Angelfish are opportunistic predators.  When they spot a live food item, they'll approach it and when they are close enough, they'll spring open their jaws and literally suck in the prey.  Now, this doesn't happen when you're feeding, say, flakes.  But if you put small fish in there with the angel, that's what happens.

So if you look for more boxy tetras, like the black tetras, congo tetras, diamond tetras, etc, the angelfish will be unable to swallow them whole.  In my experience with several years of angelfish keeping, they tend to leave fish like this alone after realizing that their normal hunting methods don't work.  There will always be exceptions, of course, but I've kept a very large angelfish with tetras as small as serpaes (still diamond-shaped, remember) and not had the angelfish regard them as food.

So go for larger, more boxy tetras instead of the more streamlined ones.  They'll still be beautiful, and the angelfish likely won't see them as food.

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Posted 8/14/2008 11:17:38 AM


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I think I forgot to mention when a female was present...

Hatchetfish killing a juvenile oscar? That's really weird. I've never heard of them killing oscars...

I had a bad situation with pandas and livebearers so I'd say to choose either one or go with peppered, emerald, bronze cories etc.

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Posted 8/14/2008 1:38:00 PM